U.S Bombs Iran (1 Viewer)

[SylviaB]

wot

so you agree with Israel on syria then?

 

[jimmysmith560]

wot

Yes my friend?

 

[HazzRat]

Yes my friend?

At the very least I’ll say that’s quite an unpopular opinion

 

[nsw..wollongong]

so you agree with Israel on syria then?

ppl acting like u cant dislike both assad and al-sharaa

 

[jimmysmith560]

At the very least I’ll say that’s quite an unpopular opinion

It was never an unpopular opinion. Coming from a Syrian, what you see in the media hardly reflects the reality of the situation. He was never the bad guy, but was framed as such to push a much deeper external agenda. The country was fine for 11 years between when he became president in 2000 until 2011. In fact, he did a lot to improve it as a whole, including:

• Education: Improved literacy rates, improved tertiary education, increased internet use across the country.
• Economy: Improved currency value against $US by approximately 10%, improved GDP and supported self-sufficiency by strengthening agriculture and manufacturing (it’s for this very reason that shops/supermarkets remained filled with goods despite the various sanctions and inflation between 2011 and 2024). Heck, Syria was even manufacturing its own car! Not top tier of course, but still reasonably good quality/price. On top of this, he worked to bring in foreign companies (e.g. banks) to operate in the country (as opposed to his father’s more closed rule), allowing the country to also be connected to the world economy.
• Government: Improvements to processes within government institutions and the Syrian Army entered the top 20.

So why would he start killing his own people all of a sudden? He didn’t. Like I said, there was a complex external agenda with the goal of overthrowing him, much of which unfortunately leveraged the ignorance of many (not all) Syrian Sunni Muslims as well as their religious intolerance, which the Assad government was suppressing in order to maintain secularism (similar to Australia, Syria is home to people of different cultural and religious backgrounds). Many of those (along with imported foreign Sunni Muslim individuals), ended up joining existing and newly founded terrorist organisations (which I assume you’re familiar with) to fight against the Syrian people:

• The pretext: fighting against Assad’s “crimes and injustice”.
• The result: dividing Syria and turning it into a terrorist shithole (apologies for the language) under an extremist terrorist “government”.
• The goal: weakening Syria according to Israel’s interests.

Going back to this never being an unpopular opinion, Assad had the support of most Syrians in government-controlled areas (which before his fall were approximately two thirds of the country). In one of his last interviews, he correctly mentioned that for a country’s president to fall by way of revolution, an overwhelming majority of its people would need to be united against the president. This was never the case in Syria.

With that being said, he was not an angel either. During his rule, there was a lot of financial corruption that he failed to address which he was heavily criticised for by his supporters (myself included). But while many of his supporters believed he could do better, they acknowledged that the country was at risk of falling and knew that any alternative to be imposed by the other side would be atrocious, and they were right (imagine a terrorist from Al-Qaeda becoming your president). Also, corruption exists throughout the world, even in first world countries.

More importantly, some of the people who originally stood against him and were deceived by this “revolution” are now starting to regret their choices, and many of the “crimes” Assad committed that supposedly started this whole thing were debunked by those same people.

 

[HazzRat]

It was never an unpopular opinion. Coming from a Syrian, what you see in the media hardly reflects the reality of the situation. He was never the bad guy, but was framed as such to push a much deeper external agenda. The country was fine for 11 years between when he became president in 2000 until 2011. In fact, he did a lot to improve it as a whole, including:

• Education: Improved literacy rates, improved tertiary education, increased internet use across the country.
• Economy: Improved currency value against $US by approximately 10%, improved GDP and supported self-sufficiency by strengthening agriculture and manufacturing (it’s for this very reason that shops/supermarkets remained filled with goods despite the various sanctions and inflation between 2011 and 2024). Heck, Syria was even manufacturing its own car! Not top tier of course, but still reasonably good quality/price. On top of this, he worked to bring in foreign companies (e.g. banks) to operate in the country (as opposed to his father’s more closed rule), allowing the country to also be connected to the world economy.
• Government: Improvements to processes within government institutions and the Syrian Army entered the top 20.

So why would he start killing his own people all of a sudden? He didn’t. Like I said, there was a complex external agenda with the goal of overthrowing him, much of which unfortunately leveraged the ignorance of many (not all) Syrian Sunni Muslims as well as their religious intolerance, which the Assad government was suppressing in order to maintain secularism (similar to Australia, Syria is home to people of different cultural and religious backgrounds). Many of those (along with imported foreign Sunni Muslim individuals), ended up joining existing and newly founded terrorist organisations (which I assume you’re familiar with) to fight against the Syrian people:

• The pretext: fighting against Assad’s “crimes and injustice”.
• The result: dividing Syria and turning it into a terrorist shithole (apologies for the language) under an extremist terrorist “government”.
• The goal: weakening Syria according to Israel’s interests.

Going back to this never being an unpopular opinion, Assad had the support of most Syrians in government-controlled areas (which before his fall were approximately two thirds of the country). In one of his last interviews, he correctly mentioned that for a country’s president to fall by way of revolution, an overwhelming majority of its people would need to be united against the president. This was never the case in Syria.

With that being said, he was not an angel either. During his rule, there was a lot of financial corruption that he failed to address which he was heavily criticised for by his supporters (myself included). But while many of his supporters believed he could do better, they acknowledged that the country was at risk of falling and knew that any alternative to be imposed by the other side would be atrocious, and they were right (imagine a terrorist from Al-Qaeda becoming your president). Also, corruption exists throughout the world, even in first world countries.

More importantly, some of the people who originally stood against him and were deceived by this “revolution” are now starting to regret their choices, and many of the “crimes” Assad committed that supposedly started this whole thing were debunked by those same people.

Western media does not frame Assad as a bad guy to push a deep, hidden agenda - it does so because of overwhelming, well-documented evidence of his regime's crimes. Acknowledging this doesn't mean siding with extremist opposition groups. It simply means facing the facts. Assad is not a victim of media spin - he is, by any fair standard, one of the most brutal leaders of the 21st century. There's a reason a UN Commission of Inquiry directly implicated the Syrian government in crimes against humanity, including torture in detention facilities, the use of chemical weapons, indiscriminate aerial bombings, and the deliberate starvation of civilian populations (here). Among other things, here are some examples:

• Torture in detention facilities (viewer discretion advised)
• Widespread use of chemical weapons
• Indiscriminate bombings
• Mass starvation as a war tactic

It would be wonderful if the only crime he committed were financial corruption. However, that was not the case. Innocent Syrians were met with chemical attacks, mass bombings, mass starvation, and a police state.

I do not support Al-Sharaa, but I also do not believe that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Assad is just objectively a war criminal.

 

[hotitalian]

It was never an unpopular opinion. Coming from a Syrian, what you see in the media hardly reflects the reality of the situation. He was never the bad guy, but was framed as such to push a much deeper external agenda. The country was fine for 11 years between when he became president in 2000 until 2011. In fact, he did a lot to improve it as a whole, including:

• Education: Improved literacy rates, improved tertiary education, increased internet use across the country.
• Economy: Improved currency value against $US by approximately 10%, improved GDP and supported self-sufficiency by strengthening agriculture and manufacturing (it’s for this very reason that shops/supermarkets remained filled with goods despite the various sanctions and inflation between 2011 and 2024). Heck, Syria was even manufacturing its own car! Not top tier of course, but still reasonably good quality/price. On top of this, he worked to bring in foreign companies (e.g. banks) to operate in the country (as opposed to his father’s more closed rule), allowing the country to also be connected to the world economy.
• Government: Improvements to processes within government institutions and the Syrian Army entered the top 20.

So why would he start killing his own people all of a sudden? He didn’t. Like I said, there was a complex external agenda with the goal of overthrowing him, much of which unfortunately leveraged the ignorance of many (not all) Syrian Sunni Muslims as well as their religious intolerance, which the Assad government was suppressing in order to maintain secularism (similar to Australia, Syria is home to people of different cultural and religious backgrounds). Many of those (along with imported foreign Sunni Muslim individuals), ended up joining existing and newly founded terrorist organisations (which I assume you’re familiar with) to fight against the Syrian people:

• The pretext: fighting against Assad’s “crimes and injustice”.
• The result: dividing Syria and turning it into a terrorist shithole (apologies for the language) under an extremist terrorist “government”.
• The goal: weakening Syria according to Israel’s interests.

Going back to this never being an unpopular opinion, Assad had the support of most Syrians in government-controlled areas (which before his fall were approximately two thirds of the country). In one of his last interviews, he correctly mentioned that for a country’s president to fall by way of revolution, an overwhelming majority of its people would need to be united against the president. This was never the case in Syria.

With that being said, he was not an angel either. During his rule, there was a lot of financial corruption that he failed to address which he was heavily criticised for by his supporters (myself included). But while many of his supporters believed he could do better, they acknowledged that the country was at risk of falling and knew that any alternative to be imposed by the other side would be atrocious, and they were right (imagine a terrorist from Al-Qaeda becoming your president). Also, corruption exists throughout the world, even in first world countries.

More importantly, some of the people who originally stood against him and were deceived by this “revolution” are now starting to regret their choices, and many of the “crimes” Assad committed that supposedly started this whole thing were debunked by those same people.

what the actual fuck nigga this guy fucked half my family in a bomb attack last year wtf u think u r nigga

 

[hotitalian]

More importantly, some of the people who originally stood against him and were deceived by this “revolution” are now starting to regret their choices, and many of the “crimes” Assad committed that supposedly started this whole thing were debunked by those same people.

decived my ass bitch

 

[SylviaB]

ppl acting like u cant dislike both assad and al-sharaa

absolute smooth brain comment

you either get assad or you get al-sharaa

if you oppose assad, you're de facto pro al-sharaa

which means you're doing israel's bidding

OOPS

 

[SylviaB]

Western media does not frame Assad as a bad guy to push a deep, hidden agenda - it does so because of overwhelming, well-documented evidence of his regime's crimes. Acknowledging this doesn't mean siding with extremist opposition groups. It simply means facing the facts. Assad is not a victim of media spin - he is, by any fair standard, one of the most brutal leaders of the 21st century. There's a reason a UN Commission of Inquiry directly implicated the Syrian government in crimes against humanity, including torture in detention facilities, the use of chemical weapons, indiscriminate aerial bombings, and the deliberate starvation of civilian populations (here). Among other things, here are some examples:

• Torture in detention facilities (viewer discretion advised)
• Widespread use of chemical weapons
• Indiscriminate bombings
• Mass starvation as a war tactic

It would be wonderful if the only crime he committed were financial corruption. However, that was not the case. Innocent Syrians were met with chemical attacks, mass bombings, mass starvation, and a police state.

I do not support Al-Sharaa, but I also do not believe that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Assad is just objectively a war criminal.

nigga assad was fighting significantly foreign and significantly US-backed terrorists trying to overthrow his government (and NOT to impose western progressive democracy)

tf you think he was gonna do?

but sure, assad bad man, now I hope you enjoy syria being destroyed. And how the fuck are the people who launched a war against assad not war criminals? None of this shit would have ever happened if they hadn't started the war in the first place, and yet somehow this makes Assad worse?

Remember how gaddafi was the most evil dictator in the world and the US and Israel wanted him gone?

Remember how Lybia was "liberated" and became a peaceful, prosperous liberal democracy?

 

[SylviaB]

what the actual fuck nigga this guy fucked half my family in a bomb attack last year wtf u think u r nigga

Gaddafi did terrible things do - was him being overthrown by the zionists improve lybia or did it not nigga?????

 

[HazzRat]

nigga assad was fighting significantly foreign and significantly US-backed terrorists trying to overthrow his government (and NOT to impose western progressive democracy)

tf you think he was gonna do?

but sure, assad bad man, now I hope you enjoy syria being destroyed. And how the fuck are the people who launched a war against assad not war criminals? None of this shit would have ever happened if they hadn't started the war in the first place, and yet somehow this makes Assad worse?

Remember how gaddafi was the most evil dictator in the world and the US and Israel wanted him gone?

Remember how Lybia was "liberated" and became a peaceful, prosperous liberal democracy?

Gaddafi did terrible things do - was him being overthrown by the zionists improve lybia or did it not nigga?????

I’m sick of this whataboutism and deflection. Regardless of Assad’s alternatives he was still implicated in crimes against humanity.

So let’s do a hypothetical:
A small child is held hostage in a suburban basement by an abusive pedophile. Outside the house a rescuer is trying to get the child out, but that person is another abusive pedophile who plans to lock the kid up in his own basement. Just because the second person is just as bad and maybe even worse, does not disregard the crimes of the first. Why don’t we aim for a future in which the child is free of abuse pedophiles entirely, and doesn’t have to pick which pedophile is better?

Your argument is essentially that just because Assad’s alternatives are just as evil, we can ignore his indiscriminate bombings, mass starvation, chemical weapons, etc. However don’t get distracted when calling a spade a spade. Evil is evil regardless of its alternative.

 

[HazzRat]

Also the original democratic Free Syrian Army that arose following the Arab Spring seemed like a much better alternative to Assad. Am I wrong?

 

[nsw..wollongong]

absolute smooth brain comment

you either get assad or you get al-sharaa

if you oppose assad, you're de facto pro al-sharaa

which means you're doing israel's bidding

OOPS

LMAOOOO that's like saying "if u don't like biden that immediately makes u a republican trump supporter anti-vaxx racist predator"

 

[hotitalian]

Gaddafi did terrible things do - was him being overthrown by the zionists improve lybia or did it not nigga?????

imma overthrow ur bitch yellow ass nigga

 

[Tony Stark]

absolute smooth brain comment

you either get assad or you get al-sharaa

if you oppose assad, you're de facto pro al-sharaa

which means you're doing israel's bidding

OOPS

 

[jimmysmith560]

Western media does not frame Assad as a bad guy to push a deep, hidden agenda - it does so because of overwhelming, well-documented evidence of his regime's crimes. Acknowledging this doesn't mean siding with extremist opposition groups. It simply means facing the facts. Assad is not a victim of media spin - he is, by any fair standard, one of the most brutal leaders of the 21st century. There's a reason a UN Commission of Inquiry directly implicated the Syrian government in crimes against humanity, including torture in detention facilities, the use of chemical weapons, indiscriminate aerial bombings, and the deliberate starvation of civilian populations (here). Among other things, here are some examples:

• Torture in detention facilities (viewer discretion advised)
• Widespread use of chemical weapons
• Indiscriminate bombings
• Mass starvation as a war tactic

It would be wonderful if the only crime he committed were financial corruption. However, that was not the case. Innocent Syrians were met with chemical attacks, mass bombings, mass starvation, and a police state.

I do not support Al-Sharaa, but I also do not believe that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Assad is just objectively a war criminal.

Regarding Western media, I would have agreed with you if we had seen this media say the same about Netanyahu’s crimes against defenceless Palestinians in Gaza, who were subject to genocide. The silence of Western and non-Western media confirms that they are not unbiased media and are working under a particular agenda/propaganda.

When it comes to the UN Commission of Inquiry and Assad/Syrian government’s “crimes against humanity”, how come we never heard of anything remotely close to this before 2011? Did Assad suddenly/magically transform from a normal person to a war criminal killing his own people? Of course not, but there was an external agenda/project that was in the works to overthrow the Syrian government and this is proven by the clear admission of the former Qatari prime minister Hamad bin Jassim in an interview (available online).

They made up a “revolution” built on lies and they later claimed that they support that “revolution” and “stand by” the Syrian people and they started executing a well-devised plan, backed by financial and military support, as well as fuelling sectarianism and importing terrorist mercenaries from all around the world via Turkish borders among others in order to fight against the official Syrian Army with the goal of overthrowing Syria, through shared operations rooms which Hamad bin Jassim explained in said interview, and the billions of dollars that were paid to Bandar bin Sultan according to the latter's original promise of successfully executing this plan within a few months.

Regarding torture in detention facilities, Syria after 2011 changed from being a 100% safe country to a country in a state of war with extremist groups that were brought into it to push the agenda. And when any sovereign country, whether Syria or another country, is in a state of war, we will see detentions, investigations and in most cases mistakes/transgressions. Of course, this doesn’t mean that we are justifying this or that we approve of it. However, this happens in all countries, including the most democratic ones.

The chemical attacks are one of the big lies and were actually carried out by the Al-Nusra Front in collaboration with Turkish intelligence services. This was confirmed by Michael Lüders, whose report/account regarding this is also available online. All of this was done with the goal of framing the Syrian government with the attacks in line with the same agenda. Western and non-Western countries unsurprisingly blamed the Syrian government for these attacks. This means that we are facing two scenarios for what actually happened. As such, why are we supposed to immediately acknowledge one as absolute truth and disregard the other, especially since the Syrian government during this time was reclaiming multiple territories, including Aleppo, and things were generally going in the Syrian government’s favour, and the military pressure was decreasing? Simply put, there was no logical basis for launching chemical attacks by the Syrian government.

Regarding “indiscriminate bombing”, areas where the opposition fighters were present in high numbers were already free of civilians, who left those areas to save their lives. Those were the areas that the government army was bombing. And by the way, the bombing was not only from the government side. It was also from the side of the opposition fighters who were targeting safe civilians with mortars and improvised artillery (known colloquially in Syria as “hell cannon”). These are only some examples out of many others of attacks against innocent civilians by opposition fighters.

The real mass starvation was done by the radical opposition groups and we saw this in Ghouta (Rif Dimashq Governorate) when Jaysh al-Islam was hiding nutritional goods and aids in its warehouses and preventing civilians from accessing them. Of course, this is merely one of many examples. This is at the same time during which goods in shops/supermarkets in Syrian government-controlled areas never went missing/unavailable throughout those 14 years of war.

Lastly, and unfortunately, many Syrians lost their lives in the sea while trying to flee and seek refuge in Europe after the start of the so-called revolution. This was something we were never used to seeing. Before 2011, if you were to offer a legitimate immigration visa to a Syrian citizen, they would refuse it and would prefer living in Syria. This was something that, when considering the current events and where the situation got to, helps us realise the extent of the villainy of the agenda that was executed in Syria and which, unfortunately, was paid for by the Syrian people of all religious/cultural backgrounds.

This is my perspective, which I don’t force upon anyone, and I respect all other opinions/perspectives, but there is one truth and, in the end, I pray to God for peace in my country Syria, and for security to all Syrian people.

 

[HazzRat]

This is my perspective, which I don’t force upon anyone, and I respect all other opinions/perspectives, but there is one truth and, in the end, I pray to God for peace in my country Syria, and for security to all Syrian people.

And amen to that