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Are you saying we need like “standard physics” and “Advanced physics“ ? That would be so cool and actually make a lot of sense as well.
Was just thinking about this the other day and I would support this, but they could also just admit that physics is a maths subject and kids who don’t know calc should not do physics. Idrk what good a “standard physics” course would do career wise other than to get a taste for physics
 

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Was just thinking about this the other day and I would support this, but they could also just admit that physics is a maths subject and kids who don’t know calc should not do physics. Idrk what good a “standard physics” course would do career wise other than to get a taste for physics
Standard physics doesn't necessarily need to be "easy" or over-simplified I think. If they make standard the same syllabus as it is now with all the history stuff and then make advanced a bit more calculations and applications based, it'd be win-win. But in saying that advanced would have to learn all the standard stuff and then some which might add up to a lot. I think it only works for maths since we've been doing it since yr7.
 

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I am against one size fit for all approach for any subject.

Everyone has different objectives and needs. Nevertheless, we need to give a decent understanding of the science and math knowledge to the general citizens.

Maybe we need to grade all science subjects as we do in math.

Specifically for math, there is a tendency to go away from the rigorous treatment of calculus for non-math students including engineers. The proofs and other rigorous treatment are left for the graduate studies or selective courses that the interested students can take. This way the teacher can concentrate more in explaining the concepts and the practical applications.

As an electrical engineer, I like this approach. Sometimes I ask my colleagues. Except one of them who is in CSIRO, none of us needed any math proof in their life. I believe they would all fail even Extension 1 exam…
cool idea but it’s unfortunately not practical, many schools barely have enough students/teachers for a physics class as is, let alone with the cohort split in 2.
 

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Are you saying we need like “standard physics” and “Advanced physics“ ? That would be so cool and actually make a lot of sense as well.
Even then, 19 marks of essays and experiment regurgitation does NOT belong in "standard physics" since essays regurgitating historical experiments is NOT physics 🥀.

Just have a look at the VCE (this is definitely not Advanced physics, in a sense we've already covered all the topics present in this exam). Yet the exam doesn't place a bizarre emphasis on regurgitation essays (19 marks in the 2025 hsc paper)


Standard physics should be like current day VCE physics - just cause something is standard, doesn't mean its useless.
 
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In my opinion, they should let the history/experimental evidence aspect of physics be more similar to how induction is to 3u and 4u math.

ie: 1 or 2 questions max in the whole paper that are each worth a substantial amount of marks (either like a single 7-9 marker or 2 smaller 4-6 markers)

Might be a warmer take tho
 

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In my opinion, they should let the history/experimental evidence aspect of physics be more similar to how induction is to 3u and 4u math.

ie: 1 or 2 questions max in the whole paper that are each worth a substantial amount of marks (either like a single 7-9 marker or 2 smaller 4-6 markers)

Might be a warmer take tho
It's already like this. However 2025 paper was an anomaly in the sense it had like 19 marks of pure essays, in addition to other experiment regurgitation questions. So basically 30% of the entire paper was dedicated to useless regurgitation and memory tests.
 

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Oh my fucking god
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This has fucking pissed me off so greatly I can't help but say the fucking truth

Aboriginals did not fucking have the intelligence nor knowledge to use engineering principles.

Fire starting and building burrows isn't fucking engineering. By this logic, ants and beavers are engineers???? NESA is so fucking out of touch with the world.


Genuinely what the fuck does NESA get with pushing this mother FUCKING useless agenda on us?

If anything I'm going to grow up hating fucking abos more than I already do since they are forcing this incredible bs on us
 
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Oh my fucking god
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This has fucking pissed me off so greatly I can't help but say the fucking truth

Aboriginals did not fucking have the intelligence nor knowledge to use engineering principles.

Fire starting and building burrows isn't fucking engineering. By this logic, ants and beavers are engineers???? NESA is so fucking out of touch with the world.


Genuinely what the fuck does NESA get with pushing this mother FUCKING useless agenda on us?

If anything I'm going to grow up hating fucking abos more than I already do since they are forcing this incredible bs on us
Thank goodness I dropped Oml I did not realise😭
 

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Thank goodness I dropped Oml I did not realise😭
old syllabus wasn't that bad compared to HSC physics tbh, I'd say the old engineering studies syllabus might even be better than current hsc physics (which isn't a major feat) just cause it's slightly more practical.

This is actually the new syllabus, where they removed some technical stuff in lieu of ICIP and cultural content
 
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Taking a quick look at New Zealand HS physics exams, I come to notice how garbage Physics education is in Australia as a whole, however this is only made more apparent when looking at the joke of NSW.
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This definitely would make 1st year engineering (therefore the rest of uni) way easier. It actually DOES prepare you for questions you'd see in 1st year engineering. Not only that, it manages to do this while still including woke cultural indigenous content (atleast they aren't regurgitation case studies which you have to memorise. In these questions, it's clear you have to apply knowledge on the spot). International students ARE advantaged thanks to a joke of a syllabus (mainly NSW's fault though). NSW thinks 20 marks of pure regurgitation is great preparation for tertiary studies. Seriously, the 'skills' you get from experiment essay regurgitation questions are NOT applicable in university. The skills you get from essay regurgitation are as useful as HSC English skills - absolutely useless 99.9% of times.

"but this is just math" ... no the fuck it's not just math, there are obviously underlying physical concepts you have to apply - this is physics.

🤣 Now clearly I'm not the dumb cunt that these essays are targeted towards as I can answer ALL HSC past paper calculation questions. These regurgitation questions are only targeted towards people who may not be that intelligent, but have English Advanced writing skills. 🤣

Nobody fucking enjoys regurgitating experiment essays besides Eng(lish)tard kamala voters.

their formula sheet gives you a quick overview on what they cover. They cover rotational mechanics and capcitance, all while covering the whole of module 5 6 7 and 8.
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tldr: NSW Physics doesn't prepare you for university physics AT ALL as: syllabus way too shallow; quantitative questions asked are too easy, and qualitative questions asked are just pure regurgitation.

 
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In my opinion, they should let the history/experimental evidence aspect of physics be more similar to how induction is to 3u and 4u math.

ie: 1 or 2 questions max in the whole paper that are each worth a substantial amount of marks (either like a single 7-9 marker or 2 smaller 4-6 markers)

Might be a warmer take tho
Ahh math induction the free est most guaranteed marks of an exam
 

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Taking a quick look at New Zealand HS physics exams, I come to notice how garbage Physics education is in Australia as a whole, however this is only made more apparent when looking at the joke of NSW.
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This definitely would make 1st year engineering (therefore the rest of uni) way easier. It actually DOES prepare you for questions you'd see in 1st year engineering. Not only that, it manages to do this while still including woke cultural indigenous content (atleast they aren't regurgitation case studies which you have to memorise. In these questions, it's clear you have to apply knowledge on the spot). International students ARE advantaged thanks to a joke of a syllabus (mainly NSW's fault though). NSW thinks 20 marks of pure regurgitation is great preparation for tertiary studies. Seriously, the 'skills' you get from experiment essay regurgitation questions are NOT applicable in university. The skills you get from essay regurgitation are as useful as HSC English skills - absolutely useless 99.9% of times.

"but this is just math" ... no the fuck it's not just math, there are obviously underlying physical concepts you have to apply - this is physics.

🤣 Now clearly I'm not the dumb cunt that these essays are targeted towards as I can answer ALL HSC past paper calculation questions. These regurgitation questions are only targeted towards people who may not be that intelligent, but have English Advanced writing skills. 🤣

Nobody fucking enjoys regurgitating experiment essays besides Eng(lish)tard kamala voters.

their formula sheet gives you a quick overview on what they cover. They cover rotational mechanics and capcitance, all while covering the whole of module 5 6 7 and 8.
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tldr: NSW Physics doesn't prepare you for university physics AT ALL as: syllabus way too shallow; quantitative questions asked are too easy, and qualitative questions asked are just pure regurgitation.

yep these sort of questions look much more engaging. I remember this one practice trial i was doing was absolutely amazing, it felt tailored to me. the writing questions were like an induction and mag breaking and something else but it was such a small part of exam. the rest all calculations and like 1 or 2 small random things. Oh and final question banked curve with friction. absolute pleasure doing that paper
 

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wow we can see that singapore includes calculus in their physics A Level exams, unlike UK A Level. White people vs East Asians
in the early 2000s singapore said international gce did not meet their requirements so they came to an agreement with gce to make a tailor-made version of gce called the singapore-gce. in singapore this gave rise to new levels called h1, h2, h3.

those papers i put before are all h3 level physics

another example is in maths. in the new extension 2 syllabus there is prove and use cauchy-schwarz inequality. this is not in international-gce, but is in the singapore-gce h3 level. so in preparing for new extension 2 syllabus u can look at singapore-gce h3 maths papers for prove and use cauchy-schwarz inequality examples
 
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NESA just released the new science syllabus for 2027. Here are the notable changes for Physics.

- Getting rid of thermodynamics completely, a topic which would've been used again in engineering physics in uni
- Getting rid of angular velocity ω
- Removed multiple formulas from the formula sheet, including angular velocity and specific heat capacity.

+ Adding useless aboriginal crap (are you serious, leftists?)
++ Explain why Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander Peoples used inclined planes to move heavy objects
++ Describe how Aboriginal Peoples use the wave velocity and wavelength of water waves to approximate water depth
++ Analyse the motion of projectiles used by Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander Peoples
+ Adding more useless qualitative stuff to rote learn for mod 7 and 8
+ Added no new formulas at all, while removing atleast two.

It's crazy how NSW has one of the most rigorous and toughest mathematics exams in the western world, mathematics extension 2, then you look at our physics exam, you see how retarded and shallow it is.

New South Wales is stuck with the dumbest high school physics syllabus and exam in the world till the year 2037.
Let me just emphasis, physics is MEANT to be a fucking quantitative subject, not a fucking qualitative describing and essay writing subject. There's nothing gained from making kids learn more qualitative content just for the exams to follow a retarded "regurgitate what you just learnt" structure.

With Mathematics Extension 2, we cover way less content than A Level Further Mathematics or IB Mathematics AA HL. However the general consensus among threads I've read is that our exams are much more novel and require critical mathematical thinking and aptitude, especially Questions 16 15 14. This emphasizes quality over quantity.

However, the Physics HSC syllabus covers way less than something like A Level, yet our physics exams aren't even intellectually demanding in the slightest (if you count regurgitation and rote learning as intellectually demanding I'm sorry). Our physics exam are so trash. Section 1 is okay, but Section 2 (four fifths of the exam) in the HSC Physics paper fucking suck. There are literally NO intellectually demanding calculation questions. What separates a band 6 student from a band 5 physics student is not their quantitative ability and critical thinking, but rather their ability to write "beautifully". This is especially true for the ~20 marks worth of history reciting questions. Why the fuck can't the physics syllabus just be like the math extension 1 and 2 exams, where the last few questions are actually challenging quantitative questions? Why the fuck is NESA differentiating people on the basis of English writing skills rather than mathematical and actual physics skills? Your ability to write English esque analytical paragraphs on why Rutherford was such a hot guy has no bearing on your ability to perform well in university level physics at all.

Here's what's incredibly ridiculous. Someone (99 ATAR) from my school got a 97 in mathematics extension 1, yet in Physics, they only received a 93 exam mark, corresponding to a raw mark below 88. Tell me how the fuck he lost atleast 12 marks? That's right, just cause he wasn't good at arts (English) he couldn't score in the high 90s. I guarantee his study score if he did the Victorian VCE would be somewhere in the 48/50. This guy has a very good memory and high IQ, just that he isn't good at beautiful writing.

Our physics syllabus is so retarded that they moved stuff like harmonic motion into math extension 2, even though it really belongs in physics like how it is in A Level and IB.

While all these physics exams (A Level, IB, AP) DO contain qualitative questions, they aren't retarded 9 markers which take up a whole page. The amount of lines VCE, A Level and IB give for the highest mark qualitative question is just 4 lines. Tell me why the fuck HSC physics paper need a retarded "analyse rutherford's impact on scientific knowledge" 9 marker with 20 lines? Only the HSC has an essay component worth approximately 9 marks in addition to other similar weighted questions.

Now to the minor concerns, why the fuck do we need to include aboriginal stuff in a subject that doesn't require it? Not even the US - a notoriously sensitive society - with it's AP exams include stuff for LGBTQ+ and black people in their physics exam. They're literally not trying to hide their agenda anymore. I guess the next thing the leftists are going to do is add aboriginal numeric representation in the math standard syllabus?

I really hope someone from NSW Education Standards Authority with some sense reads this and addresses the concerns here. This is seriously upsetting. This is not only unfair for STEM people, but it also leaves NSW students heavily underprepared in university physics compared to someone from like Victoria or Western Australia.


If you want to see what a good high school physics syllabus looks like (atleast for Australia), just look at our neighbors in Vic, VCE
https://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/sites/default/files/Documents/exams/physics/2023/2023physics-w.pdf

If you want to see what a truly good high school physics syllabus looks by global standards, just look at A Level or IB
https://pmt.physicsandmathstutor.com/download/Physics/A-level/Past-Papers/AQA/Data Sheet.pdf
https://tuhsphysics.ttsd.k12.or.us/DocumentsAndLectures/Documents/Misc/DataBooklet2025.pdf
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OmHRxgLdYPkfQT0sip7i8z3ITy9c4sLY/view
pastpapers.papacambridge.com/viewer/caie/as-and-a-level-physics-9702-2025-may-june-9702-s25-qp-21-pdf
pastpapers.papacambridge.com/viewer/caie/as-and-a-level-physics-9702-2025-may-june-9702-s25-qp-41-pdf

Even the US learns more rigorous high school physics than Australia
https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap-physics-c-mechanics-equations-sheet.pdf
https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap-physics-2-equations-sheet.pdf
https://strachan.weebly.com/uploads/1/8/9/9/18994903/2016_physics_2_practice_exam.pdf
APs are just high school exams, and they already have more stuff plus calculus in their physics syllabus

The new shit stain of a syllabus for HSC physics is here:
https://curriculum.nsw.edu.au/learning-areas/science/physics-11-12-2025/content/year-12/fa915fab52
No way. Vce specialist is way easier than math ext 2.
 

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in the early 2000s singapore said international gce did not meet their requirements so they came to an agreement with gce to make a tailor-made version of gce called the singapore-gce. in singapore this gave rise to new levels called h1, h2, h3.

those papers i put before are all h3 level physics

another example is in maths. in the new extension 2 syllabus there is prove and use cauchy-schwarz inequality. this is not in international-gce, but is in the singapore-gce h3 level. so in preparing for new extension 2 syllabus u can look at singapore-gce h3 maths papers for prove and use cauchy-schwarz inequality examples
We had PSSC physics at my special science high school. We didn't learn calculus based physics. Actually there were few formulas and problems in our textbook compared to the other books. But we learned the fundamentals very well. When we went to uni to study engineering or science , the first year physics looked very easy. Almost all of us got A's.
Based on this experience , I prefer teaching the fundamental concepts very well in high school.
 

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I actually agree with that, its quite irritating when u gotta learn that. In physics one time we spent a lesson learning how they use ramps....... Yeah its a big waste of time...... I'm not trying to be racist or anything but even the teachers have expressed annoyance with those topics.
to be fair there's barely any aboriginal stuff to learn in chem and it's rly just application of equilibrium/lcp

(pretend the mod 6 aboriginal stuff aint exist cuz no one ever mentions that)
 

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