Huge far-right, white supremacist rallies scheduled to be held across Australia on August 31st (2 Viewers)

[Socialism]

Aw man it got cancelled

??? Was it not last weekend? What is there to cancel?

 

[Slayon]

??? Was it not last weekend? What is there to cancel?

He might be talking about the medieval fayre, i'm not sure though. I heard it was cancelled due to the protests.

 

[SylviaB]

Which is unrelated to religion...I'm getting more and more convinced that you should've gone to specsavers

It's exactly related to religion - muslim history is killing and enslaving, and yet little dorks like you try and act self-righteous

 

[SylviaB]

This is ironic, isn't it? First of all, at no point was it claimed the Europeans "started killing everyone they saw" weapons were used as a threat, and for someone so blindly pro-white I think you'd be able to assume Europeans would save their resources instead of "wasting" ammo.

Oh, so the Europeans' great sin is they threatened people with weapons? So they're the same as literally every people since the beginning of time?

Your "evidence" claiming few lineages were lost make me confident that you'd be the last person i'd ask for help on my science homework - maybe just homework in general. Compared to historical populations, only 2 percent of Aboriginals live today.

This is it

This is the single dumbest argument ever made on this stinking website lmao

Aborigines make up about 3.8% of the population today. But let's say it was 2%.

This is no way implies that 98% of aborigines died. They're such a small percentage of the population because Australia's population has grown by so much. Not a single aborigine could have ever been killed and they would still be a comparably small minority.

In fact, there are more aborigines alive today than at any point pre-colonisation. That is, the Australian indigenous population has grown since colonisation.

The population of indigenous australians did decline for a a while following colonisation, but the overwhelming majority of this was NOT Europeans murdering aborigines. The vast majority was due to infectuous disease, outbreeding and things like alcohol abuse. You can say that Europeans are reponsible for these things, but this is very very different than claiming that Europeans massacred aborigines.

And I have no idea why you put the word "evidence" in scare quotes. The SINGLE best way of estimating the change in lineages in a population over time is mitochondrial DNA. Both in Australia and North America, very few indigenous lineages were lost, meaning that massacres of families almost never occurred.

Your use of "aborigines", a racist slur, proves your lackluster understanding on this topic.

You're so aggressively ignorant.

'Aborigine' has never been a slur and has until extremely recently been the bog standard term for indigenous Australians.

'Aborigine' is the noun form of 'aboriginal'. 'Aboriginal' is an adjective, and it has always been incorrect to use the word as a noun ('aboriginals') the way you are right now. In proper usage, it has only ever been used as an adjective with either 'Australians' or 'people'. It has always been incorrect to refer to aboriginal Australians as 'aboriginals' and if anything, this is the term that is considered offensive, not 'aborigines', which is the correct, noun form of the word. And yet you have the nerve to accuse me of not understanding this topic? Pathetic.

No, Europeans without melee weapons wouldn't be able to "stomp" Aboriginals as weapons were there main means of threat. Aboriginals had complex weapons at the time, especially a country without as mean resources as Europe.

This is what European soldiers with melee weapons looked like 1,000 years ago.



This is what european soldiers with melee weapons looked like 1,500 years ago




This is what other european soldiers with melee weapons looked like 2,500 years ago



Aborigines would be completely defenseless against any of these soldiers. It would be the easiest fight that any of these soldiers would have been a part of. To call it a 'fight' at all would be to wildly exaggerate what was actually a completely one-sided beating.

Your final argument is a comment of somebody's race; somehow being related to this topic. However, it's just another failed attempt at fullfilling your fragile ego.

Muslim is not a race. Please tell me you understand this? And the fact that he's a muslim is entirely relevant - muslims have a long history of violent conquest, so a muslim is in no position to act morally superior to europeans because of europeans' history of conquest.

And 'fufilling one's ego' is nonsensical statement

For someone who calls others dumb, you really like saying things that are wrong or incoherent.

 

[SylviaB]

Im going to give you all some free advice. SylviaB has been trolling BoS since before many of you were born. He is a MASTER of subtly using every logical fallacy in the book to bamboozle people and anger them into arguments. Engaging in arguments with him is a waste of time, because he will use his skill and years of experience to get under your skin.

Easiest way to beat him, dont engage. If no one ever quoted him and completely ignored his arguments in threads, he would disappear. Users are obsessed with being right and in doing so, argue with Sylvia and therefore lose. You're goal should be to win and if you ignore him, that will frustrate him 100 times more than arguing back ever could. In life, winning is more important than being right - so please, when dealing with Sylvia play to win. Ignore him or argue around him, dont argue with him

Can you point literally one single logical fallacy I've made in this entire thread?

And it's funny you say I'm "trolling" while allowing someone to spam a dumb meme picture a dozen times

 

[SylviaB]

Immigrants are a label for individuals that go to another country other than your own, however it seems Sylvia has they're own definition...

I love being called dumb by somebody who doesn't know the difference between 'they're' and 'their'

And you completely ignored my arugment.

If Europeans in Australia are just immigrants, and immigrants are good, then how can you be opposed to Europeans immigrating to Australia? You're just contradicting yourself.

 

[SylviaB]

Yes, there are various jars from ships following up the first fleet that contains various scabs used to spread diseases (thankyou my year 8 teacher) and it was also in writing, directions to spread the disease. Feel free to search it up, as it seems you have plenty of time on your hands. At least enough to argue with teenagers on a student forum in arguments where you are clearly wrong.

I searched it up and found nothing. Perhaps you could try actually providing evidence besides referring to what some teacher supposedly told you?

 

[SylviaB]

Still waiting for someone to explain to me if china is a 'han supremacist' country

 

[Socialism]

Still waiting for someone to explain to me if china is a 'han supremacist' country

i mean, isn't that the point of all the tibet and Uyghurs stuff
i'm probably not informed enough to talk about that though...

 

[qweeosh]

Oh, so the Europeans' great sin is they threatened people with weapons? So they're the same as literally every people since the beginning of time?



This is it

This is the single dumbest argument ever made on this stinking website lmao

Aborigines make up about 3.8% of the population today. But let's say it was 2%.

This is no way implies that 98% of aborigines died. They're such a small percentage of the population because Australia's population has grown by so much. Not a single aborigine could have ever been killed and they would still be a comparably small minority.

In fact, there are more aborigines alive today than at any point pre-colonisation. That is, the Australian indigenous population has grown since colonisation.

The population of indigenous australians did decline for a a while following colonisation, but the overwhelming majority of this was NOT Europeans murdering aborigines. The vast majority was due to infectuous disease, outbreeding and things like alcohol abuse. You can say that Europeans are reponsible for these things, but this is very very different than claiming that Europeans massacred aborigines.

And I have no idea why you put the word "evidence" in scare quotes. The SINGLE best way of estimating the change in lineages in a population over time is mitochondrial DNA. Both in Australia and North America, very few indigenous lineages were lost, meaning that massacres of families almost never occurred.



You're so aggressively ignorant.

'Aborigine' has never been a slur and has until extremely recently been the bog standard term for indigenous Australians.

'Aborigine' is the noun form of 'aboriginal'. 'Aboriginal' is an adjective, and it has always been incorrect to use the word as a noun ('aboriginals') the way you are right now. In proper usage, it has only ever been used as an adjective with either 'Australians' or 'people'. It has always been incorrect to refer to aboriginal Australians as 'aboriginals' and if anything, this is the term that is considered offensive, not 'aborigines', which is the correct, noun form of the word. And yet you have the nerve to accuse me of not understanding this topic? Pathetic.



This is what European soldiers with melee weapons looked like 1,000 years ago.

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This is what european soldiers with melee weapons looked like 1,500 years ago

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This is what other european soldiers with melee weapons looked like 2,500 years ago

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Aborigines would be completely defenseless against any of these soldiers. It would be the easiest fight that any of these soldiers would have been a part of. To call it a 'fight' at all would be to wildly exaggerate what was actually a completely one-sided beating.



Muslim is not a race. Please tell me you understand this? And the fact that he's a muslim is entirely relevant - muslims have a long history of violent conquest, so a muslim is in no position to act morally superior to europeans because of europeans' history of conquest.

And 'fufilling one's ego' is nonsensical statement

For someone who calls others dumb, you really like saying things that are wrong or incoherent.

 

[SylviaB]

i mean, isn't that the point of all the tibet and Uyghurs stuff
i'm probably not informed enough to talk about that though...

China has stricter immigration laws than any western country

China has less ethnic diversity than nearly any western country overall

China has less insitutional ethnic diversity than any any western country - almost all positions of power in politics and the economy are occupied by han chinese

But none of these left-wing dorks have or would every criticize china for this. It's only bad when it's white people wanting less immigration.

 

[Kali_Vicrously]

Saving the day = spewing complete horseshit?

Pretty immature of you to say this, and Tony has as well written point. It's needed to encourage such professional responses! ｡◕‿◕｡

 

[SylviaB]

Pretty immature of you to say this, and Tony has as well written point. It's needed to encourage such professional responses! ｡◕‿◕｡

well-written point?

He's a muslim who has never felt bad about islamic conquest chiding europeans for conquest and claiming that europeans mindlessly killed women and children

 

[Kali_Vicrously]

Firstly, that's mostly not what immigration is today.

Second, we need a lot construction workers, but they mostly aren't coming in because the government is in cahoots with the unions to prevent them having to compete with foreign workers.

Third, "they aren't taking up" mostly because wages aren't given a chance to rise to attract people because of immigrants. Australians will do any number of different jobs, and in a normal system wages adjust to move labor to where it's needed.



I mean for things that supposedly need doing by people permanently immigrating here, like aged care.



I've already explained why this is total bullshit. Immigrants aren't having significantly more kids than Australians, and if you grow the population through immigration of people who don't meaningfully increase the net birth rate (i.e. male immigrants), this INCREASES the dependency ratio over time and you will have even more old people that need to be maintained relative to young workers, which means immigration would have to increase indefinitely to provide enough young workers to care/pay for the ever increasing number of old people.

And there is no "ultimatum". This is not why we have so much immigration. We have immigration because it benefits financial and political interests. Australia's population without immigration isn't facing any kind of imminent collapse. It would peak and slowly decline, and would happen slowly enough that it could be managed, especially with technological advances that will allow countries to do more with less. But again, 'population collapse' isn't even the motivation for Australia's very high immigration rate.

Additionally, one of the main reason young Australians avoid or delay children is because they cannot afford to buy a house. They either have to rent a house or buy or rent an apartment. Housing unaffordability (buy or rent), uncertainty (renting) and housing density (apartments/units) all strongly predict low fertility. And the reason why houses are so scarce and so expensive is because the population has ballooned by millions of people in relatively short time.



Population growth has has a vastly greater impact on housing affordability and availability than foreign investors. The fact that they're "LIVING" in these houses is why it's so hard and expensive to buy a house. It's not something positive they're doing. And nobody's more againt foreign ownership than me, but they can only buy new properties, they can't buy up existing stock. And their ownership is often for themselves or their children to live in, so it's not even meaningfully different to immigrants consuming housing stock anyway, the thing you said wasn't a problem.



No dumb dumb. It's supposed to be a party for workers, as in AUSTRALIAN workers. Flooding the country with immigrants is BAD for Australian workers, which is why corporations support it, why property investors and developers support it etc. Why would wages ever meaningfully increase if you can just bring in a million people from India who will take the job at lower pay? It's making rich australians richer at the expense of everyone else, and Labor does it because they end up voting Labor.



How embarassing for all these hard-working foreigners that inferior Australians built a better country in a century or two than they and their ancestors could in thousands of years!



You cry about "racism" right after declaring Australians are lazy and inferior to immigrants. Fuck off lmao.



I wasn't aware if we were deciding to bring in more white people to use centerlink. You know, the way we bring in hundreds of thousands of immigrants a year?



The vast majority of all net tax revenue in Australia is generated by white Australians. And you think Sudanese immigrants are working hard and not collecting welfare? lmao



Ah yes, just imagine how poor us dumb lazy white Australians would be without an army of brown people delivering uber eats! They're truly the foundation of our economy!

How sad that billions of these people can't build countries worth staying in, but are magically the reason Australia is prosperous even though we were prosperous long before they got here!

Can i ask, when exactly did they state that Australians are inferior to immigrants?

And to also add that its a bit rude to claim all uber eats drivers are of brown colour. Whether or not it would be true, its still unessessary to add.

Plus, not exactly related, but immigrants living in Australia are Australians if they are Australian citizens. It doesn't matter their background of where they are from. We're an inclusive, diverse and multicultural country. Our differences are what makes up such a unique place to live (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧

 

[SylviaB]

Can i ask, when exactly did they state that Australians are inferior to immigrants?

And to also add that its a bit rude to claim all uber eats drivers are of brown colour. Whether or not it would be true, its still unessessary to add.

Is it "rude" to treat non-immigrant Australians as being 'lazy dole bludgers'?

Plus, not exactly related, but immigrants living in Australia are Australians if they are Australian citizens. It doesn't matter their background of where they are from. We're an inclusive, diverse and multicultural country. Our differences are what makes up such a unique place to live (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧

Australia was a good place to live before mass non-european immigration. And Australia is not a good place to live because we have suburbs full of lebanese or indians or something.

And Australia was unique before immigration. We had a unique identity and culture. Now we're the opposite of unique, we're just a mish mash country with no unique characteristics any more. Just the UK with better weather, or America with fewer black people.

 

[Kali_Vicrously]

Ruined a completely primitive country where the people spent 60,000 years killing each other and taking their women as bounty? Yeah bro, ruined a total paradise on earth.

And I love you people, you get all the benefits that come from colonization (getting to live in a country 100 times better than whatever hovel your parents or grandparents came from) while also acting morally superior to the people who made it possible.

Hate to break it to you but colonisation is not some one track minded topic where there is only benifits.

Many bad things happened to the races being colonised. They lose their identity, culture and are told by others that their 'inferior'. Aborigionals were subject to the treatment of the white settlers trying to 'breed out' their Aborigional genetics. Thats dehumanizing and disgusting behaviour. This may be a stretch but isn't that considered a genocide? Trying to get of a whole community? And yet you say that we should praise the settlers for giving us the ability to binge netflix, look at recipes online, create stupid debates or some other things which were are capable without. We didn't need any of this. Yes its convenient, but at the expense of a depressing history which still today effects many people.

Sorry i'm not going in order with what I talk about, I'm about to have lunch and you used the incorrect spelling of colonisation. (・o・) Oh unless you're American.