RANKS or SCORES? (1 Viewer)

[Dzeeshr]

Can someone PLEASE confirm for me: Does your internal SCORES matter , or only RANKS, or BOTH?

Im ranked 1 internally for Ext 2, with 2 assessment tasks left. Say hypothetically, I stay rank 1 to the end. but say i get two 80%'s on each of task 3 and the trial, rather than 2 90%'s (i would be rank 1 anyway in either case) does me not getting those 'better' marks affect my overall mark if I get the top HSC mark for my cohort anyway?

Im concerned because I got some subpar marks in Ext 1 and Chemistry which may put me down to Rank 2 or 3 (but I know I can 1000% get back to rank 1) yet Im really concerned the poor performances on Task 2 will have a bad rep on my ATAR overall even despite being Rank 1 (and assuming I get the best HSC assessment mark out of my cohort).

Because, if I get rank 1 + top HSC mark for my cohort it seems vaguely MIRACULOUS these subpar marks could theoretically be wiped clean from my slate - does ending up with a 95% weighted mark internally (taking all the 'Weighting' percentages you see on assessment task notifications ) or a 90% weighted mark internally have any effect at all if you are rank 1 in either case? (and just to confirm - I need the top HSC mark for my cohort for this to ring true?)

If anyone could kindly explain this to me I'd really appreciate it.

 

[WeiWeiMan]

Can someone PLEASE confirm for me: Does your internal SCORES matter , or only RANKS, or BOTH?

Im ranked 1 internally for Ext 2, with 2 assessment tasks left. Say hypothetically, I stay rank 1 to the end. but say i get two 80%'s on each of task 3 and the trial, rather than 2 90%'s (i would be rank 1 anyway in either case) does me not getting those 'better' marks affect my overall mark if I get the top HSC mark for my cohort anyway?

Im concerned because I got some subpar marks in Ext 1 and Chemistry which may put me down to Rank 2 or 3 (but I know I can 1000% get back to rank 1) yet Im really concerned the poor performances on Task 2 will have a bad rep on my ATAR overall even despite being Rank 1 (and assuming I get the best HSC assessment mark out of my cohort).

Because, if I get rank 1 + top HSC mark for my cohort it seems vaguely MIRACULOUS these subpar marks could theoretically be wiped clean from my slate - does ending up with a 95% weighted mark internally (taking all the 'Weighting' percentages you see on assessment task notifications ) or a 90% weighted mark internally have any effect at all if you are rank 1 in either case? (and just to confirm - I need the top HSC mark for my cohort for this to ring true?)

If anyone could kindly explain this to me I'd really appreciate it.

if you're rank 1, just ur rank matters and u get highest external (if you're deserved of first, you should get that anyway) in your cohort as your internal

if you're between 1st and last (non inclusive), your rank and the mark/score gaps between other ranks matter.

if you're ranked last, u gon get the lowest external as ur internal, unless there be some crazy outlier

u can hve a lil read of it here if u so desire: https://www.nsw.gov.au/education-and-training/nesa/hsc/exams-and-marking/assessment-moderation

 

[Study to success]

Can someone PLEASE confirm for me: Does your internal SCORES matter , or only RANKS, or BOTH?

Im ranked 1 internally for Ext 2, with 2 assessment tasks left. Say hypothetically, I stay rank 1 to the end. but say i get two 80%'s on each of task 3 and the trial, rather than 2 90%'s (i would be rank 1 anyway in either case) does me not getting those 'better' marks affect my overall mark if I get the top HSC mark for my cohort anyway?

Im concerned because I got some subpar marks in Ext 1 and Chemistry which may put me down to Rank 2 or 3 (but I know I can 1000% get back to rank 1) yet Im really concerned the poor performances on Task 2 will have a bad rep on my ATAR overall even despite being Rank 1 (and assuming I get the best HSC assessment mark out of my cohort).

Because, if I get rank 1 + top HSC mark for my cohort it seems vaguely MIRACULOUS these subpar marks could theoretically be wiped clean from my slate - does ending up with a 95% weighted mark internally (taking all the 'Weighting' percentages you see on assessment task notifications ) or a 90% weighted mark internally have any effect at all if you are rank 1 in either case? (and just to confirm - I need the top HSC mark for my cohort for this to ring true?)

If anyone could kindly explain this to me I'd really appreciate it.

Ranks I think for internal exams at least

 

[Dzeeshr]

if you're rank 1, just ur rank matters and u get highest external (if you're deserved of first, you should get that anyway) in your cohort as your internal

if you're between 1st and last (non inclusive), your rank and the mark/score gaps between other ranks matter.

if you're ranked last, u gon get the lowest external as ur internal, unless there be some crazy outlier

u can hve a lil read of it here if u so desire: https://www.nsw.gov.au/education-and-training/nesa/hsc/exams-and-marking/assessment-moderation

Thank you sir!!!

 

[C2H6O]

Can someone PLEASE confirm for me: Does your internal SCORES matter , or only RANKS, or BOTH?

Im ranked 1 internally for Ext 2, with 2 assessment tasks left. Say hypothetically, I stay rank 1 to the end. but say i get two 80%'s on each of task 3 and the trial, rather than 2 90%'s (i would be rank 1 anyway in either case) does me not getting those 'better' marks affect my overall mark if I get the top HSC mark for my cohort anyway?

Im concerned because I got some subpar marks in Ext 1 and Chemistry which may put me down to Rank 2 or 3 (but I know I can 1000% get back to rank 1) yet Im really concerned the poor performances on Task 2 will have a bad rep on my ATAR overall even despite being Rank 1 (and assuming I get the best HSC assessment mark out of my cohort).

Because, if I get rank 1 + top HSC mark for my cohort it seems vaguely MIRACULOUS these subpar marks could theoretically be wiped clean from my slate - does ending up with a 95% weighted mark internally (taking all the 'Weighting' percentages you see on assessment task notifications ) or a 90% weighted mark internally have any effect at all if you are rank 1 in either case? (and just to confirm - I need the top HSC mark for my cohort for this to ring true?)

If anyone could kindly explain this to me I'd really appreciate it.

basically just ranks. the mark they take for your internal is just the external mark of whichever external rank matches your internal rank (if your first you get first place's external mark for internals.
however in a sense your relative position does matter, because for scaling they map the external distribution to the internal distribution (unless your cohort has like 5 ppl), so basically if the distance between you and person below you is larger it works better in your favour. but as this is all relative distribution, no the actual mark still doesnt matter.

 

[WeiWeiMan]

basically just ranks. the mark they take for your internal is just the external mark of whichever external rank matches your internal rank (if your first you get first place's external mark for internals.
however in a sense your relative position does matter, because for scaling they map the external distribution to the internal distribution (unless your cohort has like 5 ppl), so basically if the distance between you and person below you is larger it works better in your favour. but as this is all relative distribution, no the actual mark still doesnt matter.

first statement is an oversimplification

 

[Study to success]

first statement is an oversimplification

Huh so ur internal marks matter?I thought it was just ranks

 

[Reasonabledoubt]

ranks take priority but in order to get that high rank u need that high score so aim for both

 

[WeiWeiMan]

Huh so ur internal marks matter?I thought it was just ranks

it's technically not the mark, more the difference in marks
so it's better to be very close to 1st as 2nd than 2nd by like 50%

 

[Reasonabledoubt]

why do u guys complicate this so much just get the highest mark u can

 

[C2H6O]

first statement is an oversimplification

i talked about relative spread in second part

why do u guys complicate this so much just get the highest mark u can

yo fr tho dont worry about scaling cause no matter what dumass formula nesa puts your mark through your best mark still outputs the better score

 

[imnotrj]

ranks right, bc moderation happens through rankings and how much you get in the actual hsc

 

[CirrusTheJet]

I tied with the same HSC exam mark in Biology with the person who got first, but because I got 2nd internally; it meant that I would get an overall HSC mark of 1 less point then the person who got first (in terms of marks, we were very close).

I wouldn't worry too much about rankings anyways. There's nothing that can really be done, other than trying your best and seeing what works and what doesn't.

 

[dillydally]

i wouldnt suppose that a good rank and good marks must coexist...

 

[Dzeeshr]

i wouldnt suppose that a good rank and good marks must coexist...

Meaning most people can do poorly on assessment tasks in the cohort?

 

[imnotrj]

Meaning most people can do poorly on assessment tasks in the cohort?

yeah i mean, if everyone does trash but you do BETTER than others then your rank is def much higher
let's say avg is 50 and you get 60-70 (THIS IS NOT INTENTIONAL)
then ofc, you'd be at a MUCH HIGHER rank

 

[aeternus]

Can someone PLEASE confirm for me: Does your internal SCORES matter , or only RANKS, or BOTH?

Im ranked 1 internally for Ext 2, with 2 assessment tasks left. Say hypothetically, I stay rank 1 to the end. but say i get two 80%'s on each of task 3 and the trial, rather than 2 90%'s (i would be rank 1 anyway in either case) does me not getting those 'better' marks affect my overall mark if I get the top HSC mark for my cohort anyway?

Im concerned because I got some subpar marks in Ext 1 and Chemistry which may put me down to Rank 2 or 3 (but I know I can 1000% get back to rank 1) yet Im really concerned the poor performances on Task 2 will have a bad rep on my ATAR overall even despite being Rank 1 (and assuming I get the best HSC assessment mark out of my cohort).

Because, if I get rank 1 + top HSC mark for my cohort it seems vaguely MIRACULOUS these subpar marks could theoretically be wiped clean from my slate - does ending up with a 95% weighted mark internally (taking all the 'Weighting' percentages you see on assessment task notifications ) or a 90% weighted mark internally have any effect at all if you are rank 1 in either case? (and just to confirm - I need the top HSC mark for my cohort for this to ring true?)

If anyone could kindly explain this to me I'd really appreciate it.

Only your ranks matter

 

[WeiWeiMan]

Only your ranks matter

ts not true

 

[aeternus]

ts not true

If the NSB teachers are evil and make a test which Terence Tao himself could only get 50% and Aquinas Catholic College give their students a test which is all pisstake questions, obviously the (less smart) ACC students are gonna get higher results, despite being less smart. As this is not a fair way to do the HSC, they blindly follow ranks

 

[aeternus]

Your school doesn't even tell NESA your raw marks, only your ranks