Huge far-right, white supremacist rallies scheduled to be held across Australia on August 31st (1 Viewer)

[lunaaaa4403]

@enoilgam Why did you like Tony Stark's post?

he made an objectively incorrect argument, I refuted it, and then he started talking about pancakes and you liked the post

You accuse me of making logical fallacies, but haven't been able to provide a single example of this, and when other people make logical fallcies, you like their posts

It's almost as if you have no basis for what you said and just hate the fact that I disagree with you

i think he liked one of my posts calling him a white supremist or smth so

 

[lunaaaa4403]

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they need to ban internation students, or only let in the best international students with equivalent atar of atleast 98 (basically non dei ivy league requirements the us has for asians)

why are u so worried about dumb international students coming in. let them fail all their courses and fuel the australian economy if u hate them sm omg

 

[HazzRat]

why are u so worried about dumb international students coming in. let them fail all their courses and fuel the australian economy if u hate them sm omg

International students are free money for the economy. They have a high propensity to consume, spend much more money than they earn (their parents are funding their lifestyle), and pay far more for their degrees than domestic students. If it wasn't for international students, all go8 unis would go bankrupt due to a lack of funding.

 

[SylviaB]

International students are free money for the economy. They have a high propensity to consume, spend much more money than they earn (their parents are funding their lifestyle), and pay far more for their degrees than domestic students. If it wasn't for international students, all go8 unis would go bankrupt due to a lack of funding.

"Free money for the economy" if you ignore literally every single negative externality they cause

And no, go8 wouldn't all go bankrupt lmao

 

[SylviaB]

borigines make up about 3.8% of the population today. But let's say it was 2%.

This is no way implies that 98% of aborigines died. They're such a small percentage of the population because Australia's population has grown by so much. Not a single aborigine could have ever been killed and they would still be a comparably small minority.

Which part of that says 'the percent aboroginal population is irrelevant', exactly?

 

[bigupsanky]

If China removed all restrictions on immigration, millions and millions of Africans would move there at the very least.



First of all, what do you mean "took ther time"? China hasn't opened up to anyone

And secondly, why is it alright for them to "take their time"? If a white majority wants to "take their time" clowns like you call them racist nazis



Hey genius, Europe has been invaded constantly for a least the past few centuries, with swathes of Europe under ottoman control until WW1

Additionally, china was an EMPIRE for over 2000 years and took territory by force as recently as 75 years ago. China doesn't take in immigrants because they don't like immigrants. Why would bringing in millions of africans have anything to do with being "invaded" by europeans or japan?

They see themselves are superior and everyone else as inferior and incompataible. And you don't care, because they're not white, and only white people can do anything wrong.



Yeah, remember how much of a "shambles" Australia was before a few decades ago? Remember how awful it was without africans breaking into people's home and murdering people?

And Japan? Japan did more actual invading and killing and raping than any european country less than a century ago, and yet every country in europe is expected to allow unlimited third world immigration.



How are you this dumb?

"You NEED immigrants to do all these jobs in australia, also all of these jobs are going to be outsourced"

Literally contradicting yourself. If there's a massive outsourcing problem, then that makes immigration even more harmful and unnecessary.



Oh, so having a better resume magically stops housing being scare and unaffordable?

And things like medical program places have a hard limit. It doesn't matter how hard Australian students study, there can only ever be a fixed number of people getting medical degrees. Meanwhile, foreign doctors who went to shitty universities with much weaker entrance standards can come and work in Australia as doctors.



Sure, "people", while every politician and major news organisation in the country was criticising them



Palestian protesters were holding signs saying "death to america" and anti-white slogans. It was fuelled by hatred of Australia and white people, not a proper cause.



No, we don't need a "middle ground". Australia doesn't need these people. If these people were any good, they would be capable of building countries worth staying in in the first place. They come to Australia, and then bring the culture that made their countries shitty in the first place.

And if they are in fact good, they should be working to improve their own countries instead of chasing more money in Australia

And thats why high skilled immigrants travel to developed countries. To make more money. Also the competition in countries like India and China are easily 10000x higher than in the USA or Australia. And the winners of the rat race there can thrive here. Meanwhile most Aussie people don't really have that level of knowledge. Compare an engineering test here to that in India or China. Immigrants are simply better in high skilled jobs, and they are far more easier to recruit in low skill jobs as well in developing and emerging economies. No company really wants to manufacture in countries like the U.S or Australia due to high production costs. Also, give me an example of people in the Palestinian protests attacking white people. There are new articles everywhere about neo-nazis attacking immigrants. You also completely avoided the disrespect to the Aboriginal camps. It's a losing fight for the white people anyways. They should upskill instead of complaining that their jobs are taken away by immigrants. So, really mate, you saying Australia doesn't need immigrants is not based on any fact but completely based on BS and bigotry. And white people complaining about immigrants is absolutely stupid since they have done worse things to other nations than any other race. And before you bring up Muslim invasions and atrocities:

1. Crusades (1 to 3 million deaths)
2. Invasion and colonisation of Americas (50 to 90 million)
3. Slavery (12 to 15 million shipped from Africa to Americas, estimated that double that have died in transit)
4. Thirty years war (8 million deaths)
5. Colonisation of Oceania (No exact estimate, but believed to be in the millions)
6. India under the british (estimated 35 to 45 million deaths under colonisation)
7. China (Roughly 10000 to 20000 deaths in the opium war, but historians argue that there are millions more dead as a result of foreign intrusion through famines)
8. Indonesia (Dutch rule):
Wars of conquest (Aceh War 1873–1904): ~250,000 dead. Forced labor & famines: millions indirectly.
9. Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos (French Indochina): Famines (e.g., 1945 Vietnamese famine): ~1–2 million.
10. Philippines (Spanish/American colonisation): Philippine–American War (1899–1902): ~200,000–1 million.
11. WW1 and WW2: 10 to 20 million soldiers dead from colonised countries like the British Raj in WW1, and 25 to 30 million in WW2.

Nobody has more blood in their hands than European colonisers. Don't act like they are innocent and evil stems from immigrants and people of colour.

 

[Tony Stark]

Which part of that says 'the percent aboroginal population is irrelevant', exactly?

Mister; I am not going to teach you how to read, you are an adult, please read for yourself.

 

[IDIRN]

Now for a practical example for the peeps new to BoS. This is a trap, regardless of my response, Sylvia will come up with some kind of reply or counter. There is no way to win, it will just go on and on - he is an expert of keeping it going. If you say nothing, he cant respond - like depriving a fire of oxygen.

Just to prove my point, he has got you all talking about Genghis Khan for some reason. This is my polite way of saying this thread is diverging a little too much from it's original topic.

Can't lie bro it's been a decade and a half since you've done your hsc maybe hop off for a bit

 

[bigupsanky]

Can't lie bro it's been a decade and a half since you've done your hsc maybe hop off for a bit

idk why people with a stable job, and a loving family with 2 to 3 kids still talk here

 

[IDIRN]

yes i am chinese, you got a problem with that?

Can't lie if I lived in Lidcombe I'd probably spend all day rage-batiting people on a forum meant for study advice as well. Hope you make it out the trenches lil bro

 

[IDIRN]

idk why people with a stable job, and a loving family with 2 to 3 kids still talk here

Fr dude's just doing it for the love of the game atp

 

[lunaaaa4403]

"Free money for the economy" if you ignore literally every single negative externality they cause

And no, go8 wouldn't all go bankrupt lmao

they literally have like 5 seconds after they graduate to get a job before their student visa expires, esp for disciplines like law that require practical training before they can even practice. imagine paying 100k for a law degree that is useless in other countries and getting deported. isnt that like your fantasy

 

[SylviaB]

Mister; I am not going to teach you how to read, you are an adult, please read for yourself.

I did read, it turns out you were dead wrong

 

[SylviaB]

And thats why high skilled immigrants travel to developed countries. To make more money. Also the competition in countries like India and China are easily 10000x higher than in the USA or Australia. And the winners of the rat race there can thrive here.

How embarassing that India has "more competition" and yet is worse at literally everything.

Meanwhile most Aussie people don't really have that level of knowledge.

How embarassing that us dumb Aussie people made a better country in 200 years than these superior indians made in THOUSANDS of years!

Compare an engineering test here to that in India or China.

India did so poorly on PISA tests - standardised international student assessments - they literally stopped doing them!

When Indians are actually compared against students in other countries in a standardised fashion, they do TERRIBLY. Vastly, vastly worse than students in Australia. It completely exposed the myth of indian academic excellence.

Immigrants are simply better in high skilled jobs,

No, they're not.

and they are far more easier

You brag about being smarter than Australians and yet you make primary school level grammatical errors.

Also, give me an example of people in the Palestinian protests attacking white people.

They should upskill instead of complaining that their jobs are taken away by immigrants.

Why doesn't china have large scale immigration then? If it's so beneficial, why not let as many indians in as want to come in? Could it be that they make life worse for the existing population.

And AGAIN, "upskilling" doesn't make housing any cheaper or available. "Upskilling" doesn't magically make roads less crowded or medical wait times any shorter. "Upskilling" doesn't make ethnics on the train smell any less bad.

So, really mate, you saying Australia doesn't need immigrants is not based on any fact but completely based on BS and bigotry.

Why aren't china bigots for not letting in immigrants?

And bigotry? Indians literally consider hundreds of millions of indians "untouchables". They're the most bigoted people on the planet.

1. Crusades (1 to 3 million deaths)

Hey dumb dumb, these were a reponse to MUSLIM INVASIONS.

2. Invasion and colonisation of Americas (50 to 90 million)

Nearly all of the decline in population was due to infectious disease and outbreeding, not killing.

3. Slavery (12 to 15 million shipped from Africa to Americas, estimated that double that have died in transit)

lmao

Muslims were involved with the african trade earlier than europeans and for longer than europeans, and many of the slaves taken to the america were enslaved and sold by muslims in the first place

Europeans also abolished slavery well before muslims did, and no muslim anywhere has ever even pretended to feel bad about muslims' history of slavery, meanwhile in the US kids are taught from birth how bad america was its history of slavery.

Of course, the holy prophet of islam himself condoned slavery, owned slaves, traded slaves and enslaved people

And today, the countries who practice the most modern day slavery are Saudi Arabia, Türkiye, Tajikistan, the United Arab Emirates, Russia, Afghanistan, and Kuwait. All except Russia are MUSLIM majority. Centuries after europeans abolished slavery and muslims still practice it. And then they try and act self-righteous condemning europeans. Pathetic.

4. Thirty years war (8 million deaths)

This was an intraeuropean war 400 YEARS ago. Compeltely irrelevant.

5. Colonisation of Oceania (No exact estimate, but believed to be in the millions)

Again, almost none of this was deliberate killing.

6. India under the british (estimated 35 to 45 million deaths under colonisation)

LMAO

Muslims killed and enslaved vastly more before the british. The british saved india from muslim oppression.

7. China (Roughly 10000 to 20000 deaths in the opium war, but historians argue that there are millions more dead as a result of foreign intrusion through famines)

By your logic, China has no right to cry about this because the most deadly conflicts in history were chinese civil wars.

11. WW1 and WW2: 10 to 20 million soldiers dead from colonised countries like the British Raj in WW1, and 25 to 30 million in WW2.

You're just making up numbers now lmao

Nobody has more blood in their hands than European colonisers. Don't act like they are innocent and evil stems from immigrants and people of colour.

The ONLY reasons muslims never conquered the world is because they couldn't. They have never even pretended to feel bad about their long history of brutal conquest and slavery. Muslims have been invading Europe for almost 1400 years and they are proud of this fact.

And none of this explains why it's alright for China to have strict immigration policies.[/QUOTE]

 

[SylviaB]

they literally have like 5 seconds after they graduate to get a job before their student visa expires, esp for disciplines like law that require practical training before they can even practice. imagine paying 100k for a law degree that is useless in other countries and getting deported. isnt that like your fantasy

Looking at Indian students: https://internationaleducation.gov.au/research/datavisualisations/Pages/nationalitySummary.aspx

Almost no indian international students study law

The most common thing to study is business followed by IT

More of them are doing VET courses than university degrees, with the most common VET program they study being Diploma level

They literally attend diploma mills to qualify for work visas lmao "muh law degree" "muh skilled professions"

 

[bigupsanky]

How embarassing that India has "more competition" and yet is worse at literally everything.



How embarassing that us dumb Aussie people made a better country in 200 years than these superior indians made in THOUSANDS of years!



India did so poorly on PISA tests - standardised international student assessments - they literally stopped doing them!

When Indians are actually compared against students in other countries in a standardised fashion, they do TERRIBLY. Vastly, vastly worse than students in Australia. It completely exposed the myth of indian academic excellence.



No, they're not.



You brag about being smarter than Australians and yet you make primary school level grammatical errors.





Why doesn't china have large scale immigration then? If it's so beneficial, why not let as many indians in as want to come in? Could it be that they make life worse for the existing population.

And AGAIN, "upskilling" doesn't make housing any cheaper or available. "Upskilling" doesn't magically make roads less crowded or medical wait times any shorter. "Upskilling" doesn't make ethnics on the train smell any less bad.



Why aren't china bigots for not letting in immigrants?

And bigotry? Indians literally consider hundreds of millions of indians "untouchables". They're the most bigoted people on the planet.



Hey dumb dumb, these were a reponse to MUSLIM INVASIONS.



Nearly all of the decline in population was due to infectious disease and outbreeding, not killing.



lmao

Muslims were involved with the african trade earlier than europeans and for longer than europeans, and many of the slaves taken to the america were enslaved and sold by muslims in the first place

Europeans also abolished slavery well before muslims did, and no muslim anywhere has ever even pretended to feel bad about muslims' history of slavery, meanwhile in the US kids are taught from birth how bad america was its history of slavery.

Of course, the holy prophet of islam himself condoned slavery, owned slaves, traded slaves and enslaved people

And today, the countries who practice the most modern day slavery are Saudi Arabia, Türkiye, Tajikistan, the United Arab Emirates, Russia, Afghanistan, and Kuwait. All except Russia are MUSLIM majority. Centuries after europeans abolished slavery and muslims still practice it. And then they try and act self-righteous condemning europeans. Pathetic.



This was an intraeuropean war 400 YEARS ago. Compeltely irrelevant.



Again, almost none of this was deliberate killing.



LMAO

Muslims killed and enslaved vastly more before the british. The british saved india from muslim oppression.



By your logic, China has no right to cry about this because the most deadly conflicts in history were chinese civil wars.



You're just making up numbers now lmao



The ONLY reasons muslims never conquered the world is because they couldn't. They have never even pretended to feel bad about their long history of brutal conquest and slavery. Muslims have been invading Europe for almost 1400 years and they are proud of this fact.

And none of this explains why it's alright for China to have strict immigration policies.

[/QUOTE]

Yeah this is pure bigotry mate. Search up the numbers: how many people from colonised countries were forced to serve in war and how many died. And where's your numbers on Muslims killed more than the Europeans.

 

[lunaaaa4403]

Looking at Indian students: https://internationaleducation.gov.au/research/datavisualisations/Pages/nationalitySummary.aspx

Almost no indian international students study law

The most common thing to study is business followed by IT

More of them are doing VET courses than university degrees, with the most common VET program they study being Diploma level

They literally attend diploma mills to qualify for work visas lmao "muh law degree" "muh skilled professions"

sorry, next time i will prey on indian international students specifically, thanks for clearing that up

 

[nsw..wollongong]

India did so poorly on PISA tests - standardised international student assessments - they literally stopped doing them!

lets see u do it king

ykw im proud of u, it took u 11 pages of replies to start blaming stuff on religion

 

[Socialism]

If it wasn't for the fact I knew it was ragebait, I would be wondering why Sylvia keeps responding to this conversation about Australia's immigration by talking about literally any other country like why do we need to have an opinion on China's immigration laws??? Lol like I actually laughed when I read that bit

 

[bigupsanky]

If it wasn't for the fact I knew it was ragebait, I would be wondering why Sylvia keeps responding to this conversation about Australia's immigration by talking about literally any other country like why do we need to have an opinion on China's immigration laws??? Lol like I actually laughed when I read that bit

Damn @SylviaB you're actually so good at ragebait lmao 10/10